Mr. FESSENDEN. I do not pretend, sir, to compete with the honorable Senfrom Michigan in the knowledge of this or any other subject, however much l may have considered it; and certainly, so far as I am individually concerned, I have no knowledge on this particular subject except what I derive from the statements of other people on whom I have relied. If this duty is wrong, if it will have the effect the honorable Senator supposes, if he is right, I hope the Senate will adopt his amendment, because I have no other motive or wish than to place the matter on a right foundation. I will merely repeat briefly what I said before on this subject and then leave it, because I cannot undertake to quarrel with gentlemen's statements continually. The Senate must judge of them. The bill came from the House with a duty of 5 dollars a ton on scrap iron. In that body, as is perfectly well known, there are several gentlemen interested in the manufacture of iron, and one of the principal ones is upon the ComWays&Means; I allude to the honorable member from Pittsburg, who is perfectly acquainted with the whole subject, and has been engaged in the business for many years. The bill came to us, as I have said, with a duty of 5 dollars a ton on both descriptions of scrap iron. When we were considering that subject we had before us quite a numerous delegation from the city of Pitts burg. They were men who wanted an increase of duties, and they stated that upon old metal 3 dollars was ample; that there was no competition in that matter which would hurt anybody; and they were perfectly satisfied with 3 dollars instead of 5; but they thought the wrought iron ought to be put up higher. We took into consideration their arguments and agreed to oblige them in 2 particulars. They demanded, in the 1st place, that we should aise the duty upon bar, hammered, and rolled iron; and in order to raise that duty they demanded a different classification, making 5 divisions instead of 3; and that new classification, when examined, as we are assured and I take it there is no dispute about the fact carries up the duties nearly half a cent a pound from the rates proposed by the commissioner. They demanded, also, this increase upon wrought scrap iron. We came to the conclusion to accommodate them in the main thing, and that was the additional protection which they demanded upon their own manufacture, and we gave them precisely what they asked, and put it in their own words all the protection they needed. We came to the conclusion also, on their statement, not going quite so high as they asked, but putting the duty at what it stands in the Present tariff, to put 8 dollars a ton on wrought scrap iron, leaving 3 dollars, which they.was all they asked, on the old metal cast iron. The Senator now says it is necessary to have 4 dol. lars on that. Therein he differs from the manufacturers, who say that 3 dollars is enough.