Mr. SHERMAN. I do not know that it is worth while to discuss the precise effect of the amendment, because I think the Senfrom Indiana is satisfied that his amendment will not prevail; but the objection which occurred to me the moment it was offered was, that‘it would relieve from the operation of the 3rd section the very fnen who ought to be excluded from ever hereafter holding office under the U.S. Takethe case ofSenators holding seats as members of this body who resigned their seats here and went directly to the South and took up arms. The term of their office in some cases expired by limitation on the 4th of March after they retired from here, and before they actually took up arms; and yet, on leaving this Senate Chamber, they proceeded to the Southand organized rebellion, and they would be relieved from the operation of this section by the amendment of the Senfrom Indiana. So in the case of officers of the Army and Navy, all of whom had sufficient respect for the oath which they had taken to resign their offices and to see carefully that their resignations were accepted, so that the termination of their office was authenticated in the records of the War Dept and the Navy dept. Then, having put an end to theiro ces under the U.S., they proceeded to the South and organized rebellion against the government of the U.S. They would, in my judgment, be relieved from the operation of the 3rd section. But I take it all of us understand the meaning of the 3rd section. It is that, for a time at least, all who have violated not only the letter but the spirit of the oath of office t iey took when they became officers of the U.S., and took the oath to support the Constitution of the U.S., shall not hold office until a state of affairs shall come when 2/3rds (if both Houses may, by a general amnesty, wipe out all these disabilities; audit seems to me that this is a reasonable stipulation, one that the U.S. may exact. After the attempted revolution in England in 1745, the English Government was considered extremely liberal when, 2 years after the Pretender had been overthrown by force of arms, all the pains and penalties imposed by GreatBritain on his adherents were removed, except the power to hold office; and I believe all who too art in that rebellion were forever disfranchise from holding an office of honor, trust, or profit in the kingdom of GreatBritain. It was considered extremely liberal that all the other penalties of treason were removed. The effectof this section is simply to remove all the penalties that rest on these men for treason except the power to hold office; and if a new generation of men should hold all the offices in the southern States; if the young men who are now growing up should hold all the offices of honor, trust, and profit there, I think no harm would result. Ifthose men who have ou'ee taken an oath of office to support the Constitution of the U.S and have violated that oath in spirit by taking up arms against the Government of the U.S. are to be deprived for a time at least of bold in office. it is not a very severe stipulation. Mr. HENDRICKS. I ask for the yeas and nnys on my amendment. The yeas&nays were ordered; and being taken, resulted yeas 8, nays 34; ABSENT. 7 So the amendment to the amendment was rejected.