Mr. HOGAN. The gentleman has supposed me to be like himself. He is in favor of discriminating in favor of those things in which his people are interested. The difference between him and me is, thatI am in favor of such discrimination as will be useful to the whole country without regard to my own section at all. Isaid should prefer low price lumber, suit able for agriculturists of the West and if the timber from which to cut it is too high in Michigan, then I am willing they shall have cheap logs from Canada and I was and am willing for them to cut it and make a profit on their labor and capital, but do not. proibit the introduction of cheap lumber for common uses for you thereby but retard the cultivation of the great prairies of the West. ButI compromised on that matter, and went in for a low tariffupon that class of commodities utting a higherrate of diity upon those commod ities of our own which came more in competition with foreign articles. But I say now to Gentlemen who are for protection, that the people of this country will revolt cre long against the enormous tariff duties that are sought to be heaped upon them under the plea of protection. I am in favor of such incidental protection as will really benefit the whole people without reference to locality, whether ast, West, North, or South. I know no locality in this kind of legislation. I am an American conrcssman and as such would seek to legislate or all. I do not seek to build up an interest here by puttin down an interest there, to take money out oft is mans pocket and put it into another mans. Sir, we have an enormous debt weighing upon us; adebt such as no other nation in the world, perhaps, groans under at the present time, an I want such a revenue to be collected from our imports as will go toward paying that debt instead of giving such protection as will amount almost to prohibition, and enable the mouopolists of this country to divide their 100, 200, and 300%. Per annum while the poor and mid dle classes are taxed to death to pay the interest upon the national debt. I am in favor of incidental protection, but gentlemen tell us that these manufacturin interests are perishing and must die unless there are high duties imosed, such as will prohibit the introduction of commodities from abroad that come into competition with theirs, and thus prevent our getting any tariff duties at all upon those commodities, so that we shall have to levy direct taxes upon the American people in order to meet the interest upon the debt. Gentlemen say that on account of the higher rate of interest that we pay it is absolutely necessary to have protection. Sir, has not the Congress which preceded this given the iron and all other interests of this country Unile protection I I had a conversation the other ay with a manufacturer in the city of NewYork, who told me that he had made an arrangement by which a certain commodity was to be made out of English iron; and he said that the English iron was not to be got, that it was out of themarkct and what is the consequence of its being out of the market? Why iron has risen to such a degree that hardly any man can fulfill a contract made 2 or 3 years ago.