Mr. SCHENCK. That is precisely as I understood the gentleman that they will prac tically become a new executive unknown to the Constitution. Now, I entirely concur with the gentleman in his opposition to this section and desire the amendment as proposed by my friendfrom NewYork. But Pput my reasons on an entirely different condition of things. I hold that instead of building up a Cabinet io.wer against the President we should strip of all advisers who have any responsibility resting upon them if we pass this law. What is a Cabinet officer? Not anything known to your laws. The President by the Constitution has a right to call for information from the heads of Depts and to ask their opinion; out of this has grown up the usage or practice of assembling them around him as his advisers. There is no law requiring him thus to consult with them in Cabinet meeting, and the time was when these same officers were not called to advise with him. The PostMGenl was not formerly called a Cabinet officer. By and by he was called in to advise. And so in regard to the AttyGen. Thus it is not a matter of law but of usage. Now, if you say the President shall not have the control of appointments and removals of the heads of Depts, who by usage are his advisers, what will he do? He will call none of those heads of Depts to advise with him; he will have a kitchen Cabinet; he will reign supreme and alone. He has as much right to call somebody outside to advise with him as to call upon these men in what are called Cabinet councils not morally, not properly, but so far as any letter of the law is con. cerned. He may call upon his youngest clerk to advise with him, and the practical effect will be just as bad, I think, as the Gentfrom Pennsylvania [Mr. TILAYERJ supposes, but as I think for a different reason, you will compel the President to give up Cabinet meetings if you force upon him those he does not personally trust, and make him resort to others for the advice which those known to the law as heads of the Depts are ordinarily called upon to give him. [[Iere the hammer fell]