Mr. RAYMOND. Mr. Chairman, I have no intention, at this late stage of the debate, to detain the committee by any extended remarks on the resolution now before it for its action. Indeed, I should feel it were an unjustifiable trespass upon the committee if I were to indulge any extended advocacy of the resolution after the full, complete, and eloquent presentation. of the whole subject which was made to as yesterday by the distinguished chair man of the ComForAffrs; but as I happen to be on that committee, I have thought it not inappropriate and in that opinion the chairman concurs with me to say a few words by way of reply to the objections urged against the passage of the resolution by the Gentfrom Illinois. I am somewhat em ar rassed, as every one must be in attempting to reply] to the discursive and eloquent orations otat distin uished gentleman. much like “ ng up arms against a sea” of It is very words; you scarcely know where to take hold of them, or to find in them any specific point of objection. It is much like arguing against a tempest or a hurricane. I do not propose certainly to follow him in his description of the battle of the Wilderness, or in his imitation of the artillery heard on that terrible occasion. I have nothing to say about questions of the Presidency, the future of this country, or the general position he has here in regard toquestions of expenditure. I think, sir, he did imself somew at less than justice in that regard. It is true he does oppose, as we some of us think, somewhat reckless] and without regard to their intrinsic merits, bills brought in here requiring the expenditure of money on any subject whatever. I think he depreciates himself unduly when he represents himself as having become the most unopular man in Congress or the country on that account. Why, sir, it is the foundation as well as the general structure of his fame. He objects to this bi l on the same ground upon which he has objected to every bill I have heard him discuss in this House, because, namely, it involves an expenditure of money. That fact of itself is sufficient to enlist his hostility against any bill that may be presented. I must say, sir, after listening to a 0d deal of this discussion I mean discussion of that character of hostility to bills of that kind on that articular ground I think that as a genera thing it betrays a most unwise depreciation of the intelligence, wisdom, and patriotism of the people of this country. Sir, if the mere fact of expending money is to be made the ground of opposition to every measure produced here, why are we here at all? Can we carry on the Government without expending money? Can we uphold any of the great interests of the Government without mone? The bill is alleged to be extravagant because it inVolves the expenditure. as the Gentfrom Illinois says, offrom $300,000 to $500,000. I know no possible reason why he makes such a statement as this, or upon what ground he supposes it will involve the expenditure of more than the $100,000 especially devoted to this object. The gentleman, in order to show that it will be greatly exceeded, brought in a letter from the SecyNavy showing that we have no vessels Iii: for the purpose; that men ofwar must be converted into freighting vessels and then reconverted into vesscls of war; that this cannot be done without putting Officers and men to considerable inconvenience; and as the last and crowning objection of all, that it is not proper, becauset eexpenditure cannot bepro erly stated in his accounts, if we thus allow O e Dept of the Government to interfere with the doings of another. Well, sir, perhaps the distinished SecyNavy might eitpen a little more time over his accounts, for the purpose of enabling the nation to be present with her products of industr at the exosition. Possibly the Officers an men of our avy might submit with a better grace than he does to a little in convenience being inflicted upon them by such a change, if that change is wanted or desired. Our officer s in the Nov have never been particularly distinguished or an unwillingness to put themselves to a slight inconvenience for the welfare of the country. They have done It with good effect more than once, and the Will do it again, either in war or in peace. at it is an entire mistake to suppose that the Navy Dept, in furnishing a vessel ofwar, is to convert it into a freight vessel, and then reconvert it at the expense of the Government into a vessel ofiwar. The resolution simply requests the POTUS to furnish a vessel for the transportation to Europe of the products to be exhibited in that Exposition. There is nothing involved or implied like the conversion of a vessel of war into a freightmg vessel. In the year 1851 a vessel was sent 011 loaded with the products of our indust for the Worlds Exhibition at London, a" yet no expense was rendered necessaryto convert it into a freighting vessel to answer that purpose. Moreover, if this excase was involved, the President would simply decline to furnish a vessel. There is no provision whatever for incurring any extra expense, and no proba bility that there will be any incurred. The Gentfrom Illinois [Mr. Wasn ncuss] further objects to the appointment of ten scientilic commissioners. What can be wanted often scientific commissioners it passes his comprehension to imagine. He gave us, to be Sure, a graphic description of the duties of one commissioner, and was complimentary enouvli to the Gentfrom Massachusetts [Mix axns] to represent him as the very man to go and perform certain duties which the gentleman evidently supposes to be those of a scientific commissionertherc; namely to break fast here, dine there, and sup somewhere else; to visit all the places of any distinction, and display himselfasa specimen of American prod ucts to the evident astonishment of congre gated Europe. The gentleman is much too modest in this matter. I am sure it was nothing but modesty that would prevent him from selecting another much more worth exemplar to be sent to that Exposition fort c purpose of representing this country and i he will not make the nomination himself, I trust that some one who does represent American industry will at the propertime suggest that the gentleman himself volunteer to go there and make himself the great exemplar and model of what a Republic only 75 years of age has produced. I venture to say that if he Will go, clothed in the full panopoly of his cl o uence, wind the American flag around him as the signal to the world that he is there, and make there such a speech as he has made to us today, he will astonish Europe as it has never been astonished before. I do not know whether it will be fair to ask him to volunteer for that particular service, but I am sure we can find no scientific commissioner who can do so much justice, in this specific rerd, to his extraor dinary conception of the uties of a scientific commissioner, as he himself. It has been asked, where is the necessity of ten of these commissioners? The reason is that there are ten groups of industry to be examined, and the object of having a scientific commission at all is to have one for each group, especially qualified by special knowled e to report upon it in a way to instruct and enlighten the people of the U.S., so that they may reap the full benefit of the Exhibition. Now, sir, I take it that any gentleman here understands that a man may be very well qualified to report scientifically and so as to instruct the American people in one particular Dept, like that of the fine arts, who would not be at all qualified to report on the Dept of clothing or that of furniture orthat of mech anism. Each of these is a distinct branch of industry or art, and it is absolutely necessary that each should have its properreresentationshould have some one thorough y and scien tifically familiar with all the details of the subject intrusted to his care. I think it is universally agreed among scien tific men that the classification of products and industry provided by the imerial commission of France, is the most perect and complete classification ever made, and scientific reports from scientific men upon each one of these groups would exhaust the whole subject of products and industry and put the American fieople in the absolute possession of all that the xposition can teach us or the rest of the world. This is to be done by sending ten scien tific men to remain there only during the exposition, at the expense of $1,000 ayear. Now, it seems to me, with idue deference to others, that it is scarcely worthy of our position, that it is ignoble for us to higgle over a few hundred dollars in the presence of so great an occasion. where such great advantages are to be reaped from attention to it. The Gentfrom Illinois complains that this measure will create 19 new offices to be filled by appointment; the up intments to be made by this President. We], sir, I am somewhat surprised, but greatly delighted that his horror of creatin new offices has grown upon him so much Within the last few weeks, and that he is prepared to take this ground hereafter. I remember a time, not many weeks or many days since, when he was quite willing to create 2 or 3000 offices and put the apointment of them all into the hands of the resident without the slightest hesitation. He made no objection then on the score of econ omy or on the score of creating swarms of Offices to augment the patronage of the President. Here is a proposition to appoint ten scientific commissioners, the most innocent men, so far as polities are concerned, in the whole nation, to be selected for their scien tific attainments and not, I trust, from any geographical distribution, as the Gentfrom Iowa [Mr. GRINXELL] seems to contemplate. The tenrnen who can best do the articular duty are the ten men who should go there; and if we can get the services of such men for $1,000 a year, the nation ought to consider itself fortunate, and to rejoice that there are so man men of ability and position willing to serve the industry of the country at so low a rate. There was another line of argument in which the Gentfrom Illinois indulged, upon which I will bestow but a moments notice. He reminded the House that this nation had been insulted, trampled on, and spit upon by all the nations of the earth, excluding one which he had not the kindness to name. Now, I venture to say thatany one who makes the assertion that this nation has been trampled upon or insulted or spit upbn by any nation on the face of the earth, travels wide of the record, and makes an assertion which he cannot maintain. This nation is not in the habit of submitting to insults of that sort from any nation be she great or small. Different oli cies have been pursued; olicies have been pursued by the nations of are e that we consider inimical to our interests at there is not one that has dared at any mat in the great contmt through which we have passed, to in sult the flag of the U.S., either upon the sea or upon the land, and the time is far gistant when anyone of them will venture to o it. We have had differences with France and with England. Our complaints are on file against them. We have summoned them to correct the great injustice which we claim they have done us. That great controversy is still in progress. Nations do not settle their accounts in an hour.