Mr. HOWE. Mr. Holden must have thought he was dealing with a State not in the Union, but out of the Union, and that he inust consult with the Dept of Foreign Relations to know whether he had a right to vote or not. That did not occur to me. it is very plausible, very probable. I accept that explanation for the pur sea of this argument. But, Mr. President, the worst difficulty they seem to have had in getting along with this plan was in SCarolina. SCarolina proved a regular hard nut to be cracked. several of these governors, when they received their commissions, not knowing exactly what to do with them, especially not knowing who was to pay them for discharing the duties imposed upon them. at once a dressed letters to the SecyState to know who was going to pay their salaries. They got along with that very well. They were informed that their sal aries would be paid upon bills being presented to the State Dept, the Dept of Foreign Relations. In SCarolina, Mr. B. F. Perry was apointed to be governor of those dominions. erry seems to have been a little technical, crotchety, I should think. He was here in Washington, Italic it, at the time he received his commission. The very 1st thing he does is to write a letter to the dept of Foreign Relations, dated will 181'5'8Hotel, July 21, 1865: “Dana Sin: I desireto know what provision has been madefor defraying the expenses'Not of the provisional governor, but" of the provisional governmentin SCarolina; ltiakreyw. ise. whether am allowed a private secre and his compensation; also, as to stationery. blanks." ke. This is from the Governor of the sovereign State of SCarolina. "In your communication to me inclosing my commission. you state that I am to receivea salary of $3,000a.nd maydraw for the same on your Dept monthly or quarterly. As we have no money in SCarolina at this time. it would be a very mat accommodationto me to allow me to draw a quarter'ssalaryat this time. Ifthis canbedone and you will sendmea draft for the same, you will very much oblige me." Then he goes on to ask for further and fuller instructions as to what. he shall do. That was rather a poser. The Dept of Foreign Relations seemed to have no difficulty in disposing of the mere matter of the governor’s salary. They could get along by charging that over to the incidental fund of the War Dept; but this undertaking to pay the expenses of that provisional government, and the private secretary, and all these assts. to say nothing about the stationery of the executive dept, was rather a poser; but the Secretary met it. On the very next day he replied, as follows: Duran runn or Sn". WASHINGTON, July 2.1.186.). Sin: I have receivedyour letter of yesterday and trust that the favorable nnticipntions which it expressesin regard to the reorganization of the State of SCarolina will be realized. The inevitable and indispensable charges attending the meiwure.including your salaryasprovisional governor.will be paid by the War Dept as an expenso incident to the suppression of the rebellion. 'ou will. consequently. frame and submit to that Dept an estimate of thoseexpenses.in order that the necessary arrangements for det'raying themmay bemade. I am.sir. your very obWedIiLeLnItAse Mrvalnl.t. SEWARD. His ExcellencyB. F. Psnav. Provisional Governor of SCarolina, now in Washington. The Secretary of Foreign Affairs had to play a little shy of that demand. but he met it honorably and honestly. Mr. Perry evidently seemed to think that as this cotillion was ar ranged by the U.S. the U.S. should pay for the music. The SecyState seems to have concurred in that view, and although he was a little afraid it might break him, he entered into the arrangement, but he says to the sovereign State of SCarolina, " It is only the inevitable and una voidable expenses;” that is to say, you must economize all you can, for we do not know about this thing. I should like to read other incidents transpiring in the progress of these efforts, but I have detained the Senate too long upon thatsubject. Let me conclude this t of the history with saying that after a fee ion in almost all these communities, all, I believe, with the exception of Texas, the President, with the assistance of the SecyState, did succeed in setting up organizations which they proceeded to name State governments. Let them hereafter be known as State governments. But, sir, were these governments clothed with the prerogative of States? Did the President so regard them? Did the SecyState regard them as States clothed with the power and with the attributes of States and vested with the authority of States? The Secretary tells us in a letter which he addressed to governor Marvin of Florida on the 12th of September, 1865, how he regarded them. He says: “Sir. your EXeellency‘sletter "That was really very respectful in the SecyState. That looks as if he recognized them as sovereign States. He addresse governor Marvin as “your. Excellency”“Your Excellency’s letter of the 29thultimo"That was the letter in which he inelosed the proclamation from which I read an extract a short time ago"with the accompanying reclamation has been receivedand submittedtot 0 President. The steps to which it refers.toward reorganizing the governmentot'Florida. seemtobein themainJudicious and good resultstrom themmaybe hopedfor. The presumptionto which the reclamation refers howcver. minafyuvorofinsurgentsw iomuy wish to vote. and who have appiiodfor but not received their pardons is not entirely approved." N ot entirely approved almost approved, not quite. “All applications for pardonswill be duly consid cred.an will bedisposedof as soon as may be prac ticable. It must, however.bedistinctly understood that the restoration to which your proclamation referswill besuluectto the decision of”The President? "of Congress." That was the notice personally served upon the Governor of Flori a by the SecyState, dispatched on the 12th of September, I 65. Mr. President, as further evidence of the light in which the President and SecyState regarded these reconstructed governments down there, let me call your attention to a telegram sent from the Dept of State on the 11th of November, 1805. That is after the SecyState had been notified that governor Holden, in NCarolina, had gone on, had assembled a convention, and had the constitution amended, the amendments ado ted by the cople, and the government elected) under it, the whole machinery set up, the fires under the boilers. all ready to start the engine. Holden thought the engine was going to start, and that he had to start, too, that is to say, stop playing provisional governor. The SecyState seems to have been afraid that Holden would start and let the new government run on; he telegraphed to him on the 11th of No vember 18135, as follows: “The President directs moto saythat he expect you to continue in the examineof the functions of provisional governor of NCarolina until you shall have beenrelieved by directionsfrom him." Thus you see in that community which you insist upon callin a State because it was once made a State, the resident not only intervened at the close of the rebellion and wiped out of existence every one of the local tribunals, put the whole power in the hands of a singlp man, authorized and ordered him to go on and reor ganize a new government, but after that new government had been organized he still told the one man power to sta there in spite of these new tribunals which had been chosen by the people to represent them. “Stay there because the President tells you to stay there ” or “stay there untilrelieved by the President." That dispatch was sent on the 11th of November. It was not until the 4th of December that the SecyState wrote to Governor Holden: "The time has arrived when.in the judgment of the POTUS, the cure and conduct of the proper affairsof the State of North Cub clina may beremitted to the constitutional authorities chosenby the people thereof without dangerto the penceand safety of the U.S.” Almost a month after he is notified of the organization of this government the President holdis that whole power beloning to a State in the hands of a single individual, notwithstandiii the people he done everything which they list been to d to do to regain possession of that power. So in MiSSlSSlfPPl, on the 8th of september the SecyState addressed to governor Sharkey this letter: "Sir. Your letter of the 28th ultimo. accompanied by a copy of the amended constitution of Mississippi, m adopted by the present convention of that State. has been receivedon will engagethe early attention of the President." On the 19th of October Governor sharkey informed the SecyState as follows: Jaexsos. Mississirri, October 10.1865. Sin: I have the honortoinform youthat Bennniin G. Humphrey's.who waselectedto theoTTice c Governor of the Stute at the lute election.has been duly installed into office and that all the other state officers have beenduly nalified. The civil constitutionzilgovernmentoft to State is now complete and thg Legislaturli iiqlinUCSSlOlked t t 'ery respect it y. your 0 wio.n servnn. L. shAiiKEY. Late Provisional Governor. Hon. WILLIAM H. Sswnn. SecyState. On the 8d of November the SecyState sent a telegram to Governor Sharke ', addressed to “his Excellency William Sharkey, provisional governor of the State of MissisSippi, Jackson.” This is in reply to Sharke’s communication in which he calls himsel “late provisional governor, ” and in which he tells him that the Governor and all the oliicers elected by the people had been duly installed, qualified and taken possession of their offices. In reply to that the Secretary says: "Your letter of the 19thultimo has beenreceived. It is the expectation of the President that you will continueyour functionsas proVisionalgovernoruntil further notice from this Dept." There was his new machine actually set run ning by a blunder of this provisional governor. He di not know but that when set up it was well enough to let it run. He informs the SecyState so. A few weeks after that, the Secretary tells him that he must continue to lay provisional governor of Mississippi until he is otherwise ordered by the dept. I am not objecting to these tings; they are all right enough; but, Mr. President, [Mr. HENDRICKS in the chair, ] when such antics are attempted to be played in the State of Wisconsin and the State of Indiana, you and I will have something to say about it, I take it. When such antics as these are attempted to be played in States which are States, States which are sanctioned by the Constitution, I take it that we shall have something to say about. it. I comment upon these things because I find them in that polic and in that plan which is said to be so ecu iarly respectful, so tenderly regardful of this rights of States, and because this policy is championed by those who assert that when you have once committed these prerogatives to a community they remain thereforever; you cannot interfere with them under an circumstances whatever. ut, sir, the time did come, in the regress of events, when the notice went forth from the State Dept to these provisional govern ors, saying to them, “Retire; let the new governments take possession.” Were they made States thereby, clothed with the full powers of States, permitted to exercise the powers be longing to States under the Constitution? Let us see. The people of one of the counties of the State of Alabama, claiming the right to choose a ‘udge of probate, a right secured to them by the constitution and laws of the sovereigig ‘tate of Alabama, seem to have elected one aphael W. Semmes to be judge of ro bate. Raphael W. Semmes is a historical 0 ar acter. I understand he is a very able man, and I dare say would make a very good judge of rebate. As sug ested by my friendfrom Ohio [Mr. WADE] it ghe has never had any actual practice in administering estates he has undoubtedly been the occasion of making a great many estates to be administered a on. The people there thought, it seems, that e was the est man they ha for judge of probate, and they elected him. The news came up here to Washington that he had been elected. An order was issued. From whom? Not from any of the tribunals of the State of Alabama, but from Brcvet Major General Charles R. Woods, who seems to have been in command of the dept of Alabama: HEADQUARTERSDana run.“ ALABAMA, May 17, 1866. In compliance with instructions fromthe POTUS.itis herebydirectedthatRaphael Seminesbenot permittedto holdor exercise the functions ofiudge of the probatecourt of Mobile county, or any other civil or politieal ethosof trust while he remainsunpardoned y By the President. order of Brevct M 'or General Charles R. goods:. AJUt SEY MINNINGER. Aurawut Adjutant General. Jndg Band will perform the duties of the ethosin the meantime. That is a iretty good note for a major general. reco ect it is by command of the POTUS, who is takin such excellent care of the sovereign rights of States. He tells the people of this county in Alabama, “You cannot elect Mr. Semmes for your judge of probate, ” and having done so, he says further, “Mr. Semmes you stand to one side; Mr. Bond, you be judge of probate.” Who is oing to administer upon estates in that county ereafter, I should like to know? If the right of judge Bond to administer is called in question, wht is the evidence of his right? The constitution and the laws of the State of Alabama require that the judge of probate shall be elected by the people. They elected Mr. Semmes. Genera Woods says to him, “ You must not play judge of proate; let Judge Bond do this. judge Bond has got the commission of General I goods as his authority for administering upon the estates of those who may be en to ie in that particular county.